<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 10:54 AM, JC Cockburn <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ccie15385@gmail.com" target="_blank">ccie15385@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">Hi Kevin/others,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">Also, why the negativity…lets see how it goes 1<sup>st</sup> then blame the organisers ;-)</span></p>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>IMHO it should not be a blaming galore, it should rather be a question of the team asking; "is this the time to do this/should we do this?" if yes then the "yes" should be collective and we all put our energy to it and not let it fail because though it says southern africa, its something that will affect us all in one way or the other. Those who are raising concerns(including myself) are not being negative, i think they are talking realistically from their various point of view. <br>
<br></div><div>Cheers!<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"></flame suit off><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">Ciao<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">JC<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(181,196,223) -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> afnog [mailto:<a href="mailto:afnog-bounces@afnog.org" target="_blank">afnog-bounces@afnog.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Badru Ntege<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:27 AM<br><b>To:</b> Kevin Chege<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:afnog@afnog.org" target="_blank">afnog@afnog.org</a></span></p><div><div class="h5"><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [afnog] Introducing Southern Africa Network Operators Group - SAFNOG<u></u><u></u></div>
</div><p></p></div></div><div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hi Kevin<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Jan 28, 2014, at 6:03 PM, Kevin Chege <<a href="mailto:chege@isoc.org" target="_blank">chege@isoc.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br><u></u><u></u></p>
<div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">SAFNOG is not a splinter of AfNOG but rather a localisation effort just like your GHNOGs, NgNOGs etc. There is also East Africa NOG as well (<a href="http://eanog.org" target="_blank">http://eanog.org</a>). All these are just localized efforts to improve the reach and scale of AfNOG and capacity building. AfNOG is and will always be the main NOG and main capacity building event in Africa spanning the entire region. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hi EANOG only seems to exist in Kenya. I have not seen any activity of EANOG outside Kenya. I also believe trying to break up into a regional group when we are trying to consolidate our resources on the continent is not a good idea. One might say this could work a few years from now but right now it would look as a counter move to existing initiatives.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Badru<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><div><div>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Kevin<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(181,196,223) -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, January 28, 2014 5:43 PM<br><b>To: </b>JP <<a href="mailto:froztbyte@froztbyte.net" target="_blank">froztbyte@froztbyte.net</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:afnog@afnog.org" target="_blank">afnog@afnog.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:afnog@afnog.org" target="_blank">afnog@afnog.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [afnog] Introducing Southern Africa Network Operators Group - SAFNOG<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 2:57 PM, JP <<a href="mailto:froztbyte@froztbyte.net" target="_blank">froztbyte@froztbyte.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">On 28 Jan 2014, at 1:25 PM, Kevin Chege <<a href="mailto:chege@isoc.org" target="_blank">chege@isoc.org</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>> Greetings to you all.<br>><br>> We would like to take this opportunity to introduce to<br>> you a new network operators group, SAFNOG.<br>> SAFNOG stands for Southern Africa Network Operators<br>
> Group. As you might guess, it is a NOG for the Southern<br>
> African region, with a vision to hold meetings in a<br>> different Southern African country each year. SAFNOG, of<br>> course, is open to the entire world as well.<br>> Details about SAFNOG, and how to subscribe to the SAFNOG<br>
> mailing list can be found at:<br>> <a href="http://www.safnog.org/" target="_blank">www.safnog.org</a><br>> SAFNOG will be holding its first operational and<br>> technical meeting - SAFNOG-1 - on 22nd & 23rd April,<br>
> 2014, at the Sandton Hilton hotel in Johannesburg, South<br>> Africa. More details on this to follow in upcoming<br>> messages and on the web site.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I’ll put this as non-offensively as I can manage, but: why bother?<br>
<br>Why create a splinter community instead of just growing the afnog one further? I don’t see anything immediately listed on your site which couldn’t form up as a part or chapter of afnog.<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><br>+1 Perhaps It will be good to hear/understand reason behind this initiative(considering that this was sent from <a href="http://isoc.org/" target="_blank">isoc.org</a> domain i assume its official from ISOC). One that quickly comes to mind is distance (the cost to travel to afnog training from southern African countries, which ofcourse does not just apply to southern africans alone :)).<br>
If that was the main reason, I would have thought investing efforts towards setting up "National NOGs", would have been more appropriate. Just like we have GhNOG, NgNOG, TzNOG etc.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The other point would be to ask about afnog hosting process, i.e is selection on "best host application" OR "better host application" that put region into consideration for fair distribution of the travel cost and other costs including language et all.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Cheers!<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><blockquote style="border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;border-style:none none none solid;border-color:-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
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