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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Absolutely!!!<br>
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Caveat is that the outreach should not be done without
consultations, if only to alley the fears of friends. The Southern
Region should not be seen as pulling out of the mainstream that we
are all nurturing. As much as Engineers think packets move at L1
only, there are other layers up to 9 in the functional OSI model.
The takeaway is that communication should happen at all these
layers. I have worked with the brains behind SAFNOG to know they
are all knowledgeable and willing to help others.<br>
<br>
Lets move to other topics, before we lose the up and coming
Engineers, the silent majority on this list, and the real future
of Networking in Africa.<br>
<br>
It was just an Introduction ... Can this thread therefore die at
this point.<br>
<br>
Sunday.<br>
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On 29/01/2014 14:51, Kenneth.N wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I absolutely agree with JC and the
rest of the members supporting the SAFNOG. The main
objective of the regional NOGs is to reach out to as many as
possible. While attending the AfNOG 2012, there was a
serious issue raised on how to reach as many engineers as
possible and I remember many consented to the fact that
trainings within regions would be of help. As a matter of
fact that regional trainings would provide the basic
training and AfNOG for advanced stuff. It is also true that
AfNOG occurs once a year and therefore other trainings
through the regional NOGs would be of much assistance
leading to the Major AfNOG. My point is that SAFNOG is just
extending AfNOG objectives nearer and nearer to the members
in the Southern Africa.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Nsiko</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b><span> afnog
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:afnog-bounces@afnog.org">mailto:afnog-bounces@afnog.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>JC
Cockburn<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 29, 2014 12:54 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Kevin Chege'<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:afnog@afnog.org">afnog@afnog.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [afnog] Introducing Southern Africa
Network Operators Group - SAFNOG</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Hi Kevin/others,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><flame suit on></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I think it’s a good idea…</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I cannot afford to go to AFNOG
meetings and to drive to JHB to attend a SAFNOG meeting
would suit me fine…then at least I would get that exposure…</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Also, why the negativity…lets see how
it goes 1<sup>st</sup> then blame the organisers ;-)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span></flame suit off></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Ciao</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>JC</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b><span> afnog [<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:afnog-bounces@afnog.org">mailto:afnog-bounces@afnog.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Badru Ntege<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kevin Chege<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:afnog@afnog.org">afnog@afnog.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [afnog] Introducing Southern Africa
Network Operators Group - SAFNOG</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Kevin</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Jan 28, 2014, at 6:03 PM, Kevin
Chege <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:chege@isoc.org">chege@isoc.org</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>SAFNOG is not a splinter of
AfNOG but rather a localisation effort just like your
GHNOGs, NgNOGs etc. There is also East Africa NOG as
well (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://eanog.org">http://eanog.org</a>). All
these are just localized efforts to improve the reach
and scale of AfNOG and capacity building. AfNOG is and
will always be the main NOG and main capacity building
event in Africa spanning the entire region. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi EANOG only seems to exist in Kenya.
I have not seen any activity of EANOG outside Kenya. I
also believe trying to break up into a regional group when
we are trying to consolidate our resources on the
continent is not a good idea. One might say this could
work a few years from now but right now it would look as a
counter move to existing initiatives.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Badru</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Kevin</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From: </span></b><span>Seun
Ojedeji <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, January 28, 2014 5:43 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>JP <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:froztbyte@froztbyte.net">froztbyte@froztbyte.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:afnog@afnog.org">afnog@afnog.org</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:afnog@afnog.org">afnog@afnog.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [afnog] Introducing Southern
Africa Network Operators Group - SAFNOG</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at
2:57 PM, JP <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:froztbyte@froztbyte.net"
target="_blank">froztbyte@froztbyte.net</a>>
wrote:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>On 28 Jan 2014, at
1:25 PM, Kevin Chege <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:chege@isoc.org">chege@isoc.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> Greetings to you all.<br>
><br>
> We would like to take this
opportunity to introduce to<br>
> you a new network operators group,
SAFNOG.<br>
> SAFNOG stands for Southern Africa
Network Operators<br>
> Group. As you might guess, it is a
NOG for the Southern<br>
> African region, with a vision to hold
meetings in a<br>
> different Southern African country
each year. SAFNOG, of<br>
> course, is open to the entire world
as well.<br>
> Details about SAFNOG, and how to
subscribe to the SAFNOG<br>
> mailing list can be found at:<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.safnog.org/"
target="_blank">www.safnog.org</a><br>
> SAFNOG will be holding its first
operational and<br>
> technical meeting - SAFNOG-1 - on
22nd & 23rd April,<br>
> 2014, at the Sandton Hilton hotel in
Johannesburg, South<br>
> Africa. More details on this to
follow in upcoming<br>
> messages and on the web site.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I’ll put this as
non-offensively as I can manage, but: why
bother?<br>
<br>
Why create a splinter community instead of
just growing the afnog one further? I don’t
see anything immediately listed on your site
which couldn’t form up as a part or chapter of
afnog.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><br>
+1 Perhaps It will be good to
hear/understand reason behind this
initiative(considering that this was sent
from <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://isoc.org/">isoc.org</a>
domain i assume its official from ISOC). One
that quickly comes to mind is distance (the
cost to travel to afnog training from
southern African countries, which ofcourse
does not just apply to southern africans
alone :)).<br>
If that was the main reason, I would have
thought investing efforts towards setting up
"National NOGs", would have been more
appropriate. Just like we have GhNOG, NgNOG,
TzNOG etc.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>The other point would
be to ask about afnog hosting process, i.e
is selection on "best host application" OR
"better host application" that put region
into consideration for fair distribution of
the travel cost and other costs including
language et all.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Cheers!</span></p>
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-J</span><span></span></p>
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