[afnog] Introducing Southern Africa Network Operators Group - SAFNOG

Wed Jan 29 12:22:20 UTC 2014

i share my views to make a difference. I have been following closely the lines of discussions. I have a simple question. why should we call it a NOG if its not going to support NOG services(Technical Workshops). Lets be thinking of name similar to a SUMMIT. This may actually clear the air waves.

Ata Redeemer

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On Wed, 1/29/14, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [afnog] Introducing Southern Africa Network Operators Group -	SAFNOG
 To: "Badru Ntege" <ntegeb at gmail.com>
 Cc: "afnog" <afnog at afnog.org>
 Date: Wednesday, January 29, 2014, 5:36 AM

 Hi Badru
 If you read so far the goals of safnog, 
 its a "for meetings event". Its not a for bootcamp
 or workshop or training driven initiative.
 Example
 1.What challenges  are facing infra
 development in say region x from vendors standpoint, to lack
 of infrastructure, to government policies, to peering, to
 new innovations  you name it etc.

 You seem to be suggesting that the formation of
 other nogs like tznog, ngnog which are for instance workshop
 driven etc, was a break up from AfNOG,  I hope not.
 As you may have noticed safnog meetings will be
 held at least twice a year and before AfNOG hence creating
 opportunities for issues discussed at regional level being
 presented at an African level through AIS meetings. 

 Where is the problem with that?  Dont you
 realise this creates opportunities for papers with content
 specific to the african context can then be  presented
 during AIS annual meetings. 
 Unless if you are looking at the entire
 initiative from a different angle. 
 Noah
 On 29 Jan 2014 12:35,
 "Badru Ntege" <ntegeb at gmail.com>
 wrote:

 Hi Kevin
 On Jan 28, 2014, at 6:03 PM, Kevin Chege <chege at isoc.org>
 wrote:

 SAFNOG is not a splinter of AfNOG but rather a
 localisation effort just like your GHNOGs, NgNOGs etc. There
 is also East Africa NOG as well (http://eanog.org). All these are
 just localized efforts to improve the reach and scale of
 AfNOG and capacity building.
  AfNOG is and will always be the main NOG and main capacity
 building event in Africa spanning the entire
 region. 
 Hi EANOG only seems to exist in Kenya.  I
 have not seen any activity of EANOG outside Kenya.  I
 also believe trying to break up into a regional group when
 we are trying to consolidate our resources on the continent
 is not a good idea.   One might say this could work a
 few years from now but right now it would look as a counter
 move to existing initiatives.

 Badru

 Kevin

 From: Seun Ojedeji
 <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>

 Date: Tuesday,
 January 28, 2014 5:43 PM

 To: JP <froztbyte at froztbyte.net>

 Cc: "afnog at afnog.org"
 <afnog at afnog.org>

 Subject: Re: [afnog]
 Introducing Southern Africa Network Operators Group -
 SAFNOG

 On Tue, Jan 28, 2014
 at 2:57 PM, JP <froztbyte at froztbyte.net>
 wrote:

 On 28 Jan 2014, at 1:25 PM, Kevin Chege <chege at isoc.org>
 wrote:

 >

 > Greetings to you all.

 >

 > We would like to take this opportunity to introduce to

 > you a new network operators group, SAFNOG.

 > SAFNOG stands for Southern Africa Network Operators

 > Group. As you might guess, it is a NOG for the
 Southern

 > African region, with a vision to hold meetings in a

 > different Southern African country each year. SAFNOG,
 of

 > course, is open to the entire world as well.

 > Details about SAFNOG, and how to subscribe to the
 SAFNOG

 > mailing list can be found at:

 >          www.safnog.org

 > SAFNOG will be holding its first operational and

 > technical meeting - SAFNOG-1 - on 22nd & 23rd
 April,

 > 2014, at the Sandton Hilton hotel in Johannesburg,
 South

 > Africa. More details on this to follow in upcoming

 > messages and on the web site.

 I’ll put this as non-offensively as I can manage, but:
 why bother?

 Why create a splinter community instead of just growing the
 afnog one further? I don’t see anything immediately
 listed on your site which couldn’t form up as a part
 or chapter of afnog.

 +1 Perhaps It will be good to hear/understand reason behind
 this initiative(considering that this was sent from
 isoc.org domain i assume its
 official from ISOC). One that quickly comes to mind is
 distance (the cost to travel to afnog training from southern
 African countries, which ofcourse does not just apply to
 southern africans alone :)).

 If that was the main reason, I would have thought investing
 efforts towards setting up "National NOGs", would
 have been more appropriate. Just like we have GhNOG, NgNOG,
 TzNOG etc.

 The other point would be to ask about afnog hosting
 process, i.e is selection on "best host
 application" OR "better host application"
 that put region into consideration for fair distribution of
 the travel cost and other costs including language et all.

 Cheers!

 -J

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