[afnog] Introducing Southern Africa Network Operators Group - SAFNOG

Wed Jan 29 13:51:06 UTC 2014

I absolutely agree with JC and the rest of the members supporting the
SAFNOG. The main objective of the regional NOGs is to reach out to as many
as possible. While attending the AfNOG 2012, there was a serious issue
raised on how to reach as many engineers as possible and I remember many
consented to the fact that trainings within regions would be of help. As a
matter of fact that regional trainings would provide the basic training and
AfNOG for advanced stuff. It is also true that AfNOG occurs once a year and
therefore other trainings through the regional NOGs would be of much
assistance leading to the Major AfNOG. My point is that SAFNOG is just
extending AfNOG objectives nearer and nearer to the members in the Southern
Africa.

Nsiko

From: afnog [mailto:afnog-bounces at afnog.org] On Behalf Of JC Cockburn
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 12:54 PM
To: 'Kevin Chege'
Cc: afnog at afnog.org
Subject: Re: [afnog] Introducing Southern Africa Network Operators Group -
SAFNOG

Hi Kevin/others,

<flame suit on>

I think it's a good idea.

I cannot afford to go to AFNOG meetings and to drive to JHB to attend a
SAFNOG meeting would suit me fine.then at least I would get that exposure.

Also, why the negativity.lets see how it goes 1st then blame the organisers
;-)

</flame suit off>

Ciao

JC

From: afnog [mailto:afnog-bounces at afnog.org] On Behalf Of Badru Ntege
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:27 AM
To: Kevin Chege
Cc: afnog at afnog.org <mailto:afnog at afnog.org> 
Subject: Re: [afnog] Introducing Southern Africa Network Operators Group -
SAFNOG

Hi Kevin

On Jan 28, 2014, at 6:03 PM, Kevin Chege <chege at isoc.org
<mailto:chege at isoc.org> > wrote:

SAFNOG is not a splinter of AfNOG but rather a localisation effort just like
your GHNOGs, NgNOGs etc. There is also East Africa NOG as well
(http://eanog.org). All these are just localized efforts to improve the
reach and scale of AfNOG and capacity building. AfNOG is and will always be
the main NOG and main capacity building event in Africa spanning the entire
region. 

Hi EANOG only seems to exist in Kenya.  I have not seen any activity of
EANOG outside Kenya.  I also believe trying to break up into a regional
group when we are trying to consolidate our resources on the continent is
not a good idea.   One might say this could work a few years from now but
right now it would look as a counter move to existing initiatives.

Badru

Kevin

From: Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com <mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> >
Date: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 5:43 PM
To: JP <froztbyte at froztbyte.net <mailto:froztbyte at froztbyte.net> >
Cc: "afnog at afnog.org <mailto:afnog at afnog.org> " <afnog at afnog.org
<mailto:afnog at afnog.org> >
Subject: Re: [afnog] Introducing Southern Africa Network Operators Group -
SAFNOG

On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 2:57 PM, JP <froztbyte at froztbyte.net
<mailto:froztbyte at froztbyte.net> > wrote:

On 28 Jan 2014, at 1:25 PM, Kevin Chege <chege at isoc.org
<mailto:chege at isoc.org> > wrote:
>
> Greetings to you all.
>
> We would like to take this opportunity to introduce to
> you a new network operators group, SAFNOG.
> SAFNOG stands for Southern Africa Network Operators
> Group. As you might guess, it is a NOG for the Southern
> African region, with a vision to hold meetings in a
> different Southern African country each year. SAFNOG, of
> course, is open to the entire world as well.
> Details about SAFNOG, and how to subscribe to the SAFNOG
> mailing list can be found at:
>          www.safnog.org <http://www.safnog.org/> 
> SAFNOG will be holding its first operational and
> technical meeting - SAFNOG-1 - on 22nd & 23rd April,
> 2014, at the Sandton Hilton hotel in Johannesburg, South
> Africa. More details on this to follow in upcoming
> messages and on the web site.

I'll put this as non-offensively as I can manage, but: why bother?

Why create a splinter community instead of just growing the afnog one
further? I don't see anything immediately listed on your site which couldn't
form up as a part or chapter of afnog.

+1 Perhaps It will be good to hear/understand reason behind this
initiative(considering that this was sent from isoc.org <http://isoc.org/>
domain i assume its official from ISOC). One that quickly comes to mind is
distance (the cost to travel to afnog training from southern African
countries, which ofcourse does not just apply to southern africans alone
:)).
If that was the main reason, I would have thought investing efforts towards
setting up "National NOGs", would have been more appropriate. Just like we
have GhNOG, NgNOG, TzNOG etc.

The other point would be to ask about afnog hosting process, i.e is
selection on "best host application" OR "better host application" that put
region into consideration for fair distribution of the travel cost and other
costs including language et all.

Cheers!

-J

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