[afnog] Introducing Southern Africa Network Operators Group - SAFNOG

Wed Jan 29 14:29:26 UTC 2014

Absolutely!!!

Caveat is that the outreach should not be done without consultations, if 
only to alley the fears of friends. The Southern Region should not be 
seen as pulling out of the mainstream that we are all nurturing. As much 
as Engineers think packets move at L1 only, there are other layers up to 
9 in the functional OSI model. The takeaway is that communication should 
happen at all these layers. I have worked with the brains behind SAFNOG 
to know they are all knowledgeable and willing to help others.

Lets move to other topics, before we lose the up and coming Engineers, 
the silent majority on this list, and the real future of Networking in 
Africa.

It was just an Introduction ... Can this thread therefore die at this point.

Sunday.

On 29/01/2014 14:51, Kenneth.N wrote:
>
> I absolutely agree with JC and the rest of the members supporting the 
> SAFNOG. The main objective of the regional NOGs is to reach out to as 
> many as possible. While attending the AfNOG 2012, there was a serious 
> issue raised on how to reach as many engineers as possible and I 
> remember many consented to the fact that trainings within regions 
> would be of help. As a matter of fact that regional trainings would 
> provide the basic training and AfNOG for advanced stuff. It is also 
> true that AfNOG occurs once a year and therefore other trainings 
> through the regional NOGs would be of much assistance leading to the 
> Major AfNOG. My point is that SAFNOG is just extending AfNOG 
> objectives nearer and nearer to the members in the Southern Africa.
>
> Nsiko
>
> *From:*afnog [mailto:afnog-bounces at afnog.org] *On Behalf Of *JC Cockburn
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 29, 2014 12:54 PM
> *To:* 'Kevin Chege'
> *Cc:* afnog at afnog.org
> *Subject:* Re: [afnog] Introducing Southern Africa Network Operators 
> Group - SAFNOG
>
> Hi Kevin/others,
>
> <flame suit on>
>
> I think it's a good idea...
>
> I cannot afford to go to AFNOG meetings and to drive to JHB to attend 
> a SAFNOG meeting would suit me fine...then at least I would get that 
> exposure...
>
> Also, why the negativity...lets see how it goes 1^st then blame the 
> organisers ;-)
>
> </flame suit off>
>
> Ciao
>
> JC
>
> *From:*afnog [mailto:afnog-bounces at afnog.org] *On Behalf Of *Badru Ntege
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:27 AM
> *To:* Kevin Chege
> *Cc:* afnog at afnog.org <mailto:afnog at afnog.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [afnog] Introducing Southern Africa Network Operators 
> Group - SAFNOG
>
> Hi Kevin
>
> On Jan 28, 2014, at 6:03 PM, Kevin Chege <chege at isoc.org 
> <mailto:chege at isoc.org>> wrote:
>
> SAFNOG is not a splinter of AfNOG but rather a localisation effort 
> just like your GHNOGs, NgNOGs etc. There is also East Africa NOG as 
> well (http://eanog.org). All these are just localized efforts to 
> improve the reach and scale of AfNOG and capacity building. AfNOG is 
> and will always be the main NOG and main capacity building event in 
> Africa spanning the entire region.
>
> Hi EANOG only seems to exist in Kenya.  I have not seen any activity 
> of EANOG outside Kenya.  I also believe trying to break up into a 
> regional group when we are trying to consolidate our resources on the 
> continent is not a good idea.   One might say this could work a few 
> years from now but right now it would look as a counter move to 
> existing initiatives.
>
> Badru
>
> Kevin
>
> *From: *Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com 
> <mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>>
> *Date: *Tuesday, January 28, 2014 5:43 PM
> *To: *JP <froztbyte at froztbyte.net <mailto:froztbyte at froztbyte.net>>
> *Cc: *"afnog at afnog.org <mailto:afnog at afnog.org>" <afnog at afnog.org 
> <mailto:afnog at afnog.org>>
> *Subject: *Re: [afnog] Introducing Southern Africa Network Operators 
> Group - SAFNOG
>
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 2:57 PM, JP <froztbyte at froztbyte.net 
> <mailto:froztbyte at froztbyte.net>> wrote:
>
> On 28 Jan 2014, at 1:25 PM, Kevin Chege <chege at isoc.org 
> <mailto:chege at isoc.org>> wrote:
> >
> > Greetings to you all.
> >
> > We would like to take this opportunity to introduce to
> > you a new network operators group, SAFNOG.
> > SAFNOG stands for Southern Africa Network Operators
> > Group. As you might guess, it is a NOG for the Southern
> > African region, with a vision to hold meetings in a
> > different Southern African country each year. SAFNOG, of
> > course, is open to the entire world as well.
> > Details about SAFNOG, and how to subscribe to the SAFNOG
> > mailing list can be found at:
> > www.safnog.org <http://www.safnog.org/>
> > SAFNOG will be holding its first operational and
> > technical meeting - SAFNOG-1 - on 22nd & 23rd April,
> > 2014, at the Sandton Hilton hotel in Johannesburg, South
> > Africa. More details on this to follow in upcoming
> > messages and on the web site.
>
> I'll put this as non-offensively as I can manage, but: why bother?
>
> Why create a splinter community instead of just growing the afnog one 
> further? I don't see anything immediately listed on your site which 
> couldn't form up as a part or chapter of afnog.
>
>
> +1 Perhaps It will be good to hear/understand reason behind this 
> initiative(considering that this was sent from isoc.org 
> <http://isoc.org/> domain i assume its official from ISOC). One that 
> quickly comes to mind is distance (the cost to travel to afnog 
> training from southern African countries, which ofcourse does not just 
> apply to southern africans alone :)).
> If that was the main reason, I would have thought investing efforts 
> towards setting up "National NOGs", would have been more appropriate. 
> Just like we have GhNOG, NgNOG, TzNOG etc.
>
> The other point would be to ask about afnog hosting process, i.e is 
> selection on "best host application" OR "better host application" that 
> put region into consideration for fair distribution of the travel cost 
> and other costs including language et all.
>
> Cheers!
>
>
>     -J
>
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